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'Up Front' Podcast Highlights Local Non-Profit That Helps Vets in Need

Jul 07, 2020 04:25PM ● By Jason Huddle

Episode 66: Operation Decisive Victory

As we celebrate our country this week, "Up Front' highlights a local non-profit organization called, Operation Decisive Victory (ODV), that helps veterans in a number of ways, from homelessness and medical care assistance to mental health and financial difficulties. This week we welcome Tuntu Parameswar and Ed Sverko, as they explain some of the challenges some veterans face after returning to civilian life. We also get their take on the political unrest and desecration of monuments and the American flag itself. For more information on ODV, visit

Jason Huddle  00:00

It is July forth weekend and as we celebrate our country, some of our veterans have been left to fend for themselves.


Tintu Paremeswar  00:06

Most young servicemembers who joined around the age of 18, you know, come back out on average, you know, say 22 years old, 24 years old, they cannot do their first term. The world has moved on, you know, their friends have done different things and then these guys have you know, you you have an 18 year old is held to a higher standard, he`s gotta presses uniform every day, he's got to make sure he's groomed and has a proper haircut and speaks proper. And then he comes into a world that has none of those boundaries and those restrictions, and it can get confusing and overwhelming.


Jason Huddle  00:35

This week, we talked to members of operation decisive victory, a local organization that's helping veterans battle all kinds of difficulties, including transitioning back into civilian life, homelessness, and even mental health issues.


Ed Sverko  00:47

We're seeing so many more, as you mentioned, all veterans, with a female veterans, a lot of the information we've received over the years with some of the sexual misconduct or sexual harassment of those individuals and stuff. Have those female veterans being involved in closer combat roles in the military, so there's a lot more PTSD. So I think even for those veterans, there's a stigma now from what I've seen over the 12 years, I've been working with veterans in these roles here in the Charlotte area, that there's a stigma with them as well that they don't want to look weak.


Jason Huddle  01:22

That's coming up on this very patriotic edition of Up Front with Cabarrus Magazine, a presentation of CabCo Media Group and sponsored by Atlantic Bay Mortgage Group,Cabarrus Arena and Event Center. Cabarrus Eye Center, Certek Automotive, Concord Downtown Development Corporation, Level Up Realty, New Hope Worship Center, and Walk Cabarrus. I'm your host Jason Huddle. Hello, my friends and welcome to another edition of Up Front with Cabarrus Magazine. Happy July 4 to you, this is a weird one for sure a lot of events are not happening as we had planned them, but you're gonna make the best of it and celebrate our country nonetheless. And I am pleased to have in studio with me today, Ed Sverko and Tintu Paremswar who are there with an organization called Operation decisive victory. And this is a great organization that is operating locally, trying to help veterans in all kinds of ways, and I am eager for them to tell you what they're all about today. We have a lot to get to. So let me really quickly do shameless plug time. Contrary to popular belief, there are other health problems we have in our country right now besides COVID-19 and that's what the July issue of Cabarrus Magazine is all about your health beyond COVID-19. There are several health crises that are affecting our population today and are very deadly, including childhood obesity, Alzheimers disease and mental health. We attack these three issues that are just a fraction of The other issues that are a threat to our society in this month's issue and I hope you will get it, it is hitting stands and the internet this week and we hope you will check that out by visiting Cabarrus Magazine dod com to read the online version. Or if you don't know where to find us click on the where to find this tab, and you'll find a Google map with all our locations where you can find copies of the printed magazine available to you. And that's this week's shameless plug time. On the other side of this break, we'll have the veterans from operation decisive victory in studio next.


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Jason Huddle  03:42

Welcome back to this July 4 week episode of Up Front with Cabarrus Magazine. I am joined in studio today by two members of ODV. That's operation decisive victory. I am joined by Ed Sverko. He is the chief communications officer for ODV served in the US Marine Corps and also Tintu Paremswar, he is the CEO of ODV. A lot of acronyms, and he also served in the Marines as well. So gentlemen first of all, thank you for being here and thank you very much for your service to our country.


Ed Sverko  06:03

Thank you.


Tintu Paremeswar  06:04

Thanks, Jason.


Jason Huddle  06:05

So Tintu you and your wife. Did you found this organization?


Tintu Paremeswar  06:10

Yes, Yes, we did.


Jason Huddle  06:11

And tell us a little bit about what your mission is.


Tintu Paremeswar  06:14

Well, ODV is a catch all type of organization and now it's very cliche when the sound to catch all what when the development of ODV was realized to our personal struggles where there are so many services and organizations out there to help veterans with different causes. However, their criterias and qualifying factors are very, very stringent and very strict. That ultimately turns into a rather than qualifying the veteran for help, you're really disqualifying them from not helping. So in our case, when ODV was designed, we wanted to create a service that would catch those veterans that fall through the cracks of other organizations or they're unable to be qualified with other organizations unable to be assistant doula organizations For their whatever criteria may be. So ODV ultimately became a service to veterans, veteran families and of course, first responders as well. And the goal is to bridge gaps. We never intended on reinventing the wheel. So to say, as far as recreating service that already exists, it's about getting those veterans connected, and their families connected with services that already exist. And if there's a service that exists, but they don't qualify for, that's where odd would step in and cover those services and engage whatever resources we need to have in place to get them that help.


Jason Huddle  07:33

So can you give me some specifics as far as services that you're referring to with it, whether it be housing or medical care, things like that? What are some services that you guys typically help fill in the gaps?


Tintu Paremeswar  07:44

Sure, ODV primarily has again, being a nonprofit, you have to identify programs so we have six main programs from emergency financial assistance to homeless prevention to suicide prevention. However, even in those programs, they will be those unique situations that come around that don't fall specifically into one of those programs and we will cater to that. Many cases we handle right now our homelessness, especially with the COVID-19 situation happening, a lot of veterans that relied on shelters, can no longer get into those shelters or can't stay long enough. So they end up back on the street. So housing assistance, something we do utility assistance, especially veterans in this situation, that that become unemployed or their disabilities caused them unemployment, and bring that hardship on the families. You know, we try to cover those expenses for them so that we can get them back on their feet. Another another large component is the mental health aspect of both the veteran and the family. As a veteran myself, you know, I'm able to go get the assistance I need when I needed from the VA. As long as I have my rating and my qualification, however, if my spouse can't walk in there and say, hey, I need help to figure out how to deal with him or how to understand his his struggles. So getting the care for the families  become very difficult. So that's where we would step in and understanding that there's limitations to what the government services and other organizations offer. We say, okay, let's let's step outside the box here and provide those services for the family but those, those just the highlights of some of the things that that ODV primarily focus on.


Jason Huddle  09:16

Ed you are new to the organization, you served in the marines. Tell us a little bit about your time in the service, and then what attracted you to become a part of ODV


Ed Sverko  09:26

Sure, you know, and my service was back in the 80s, and up until the original Gulf War. So I come from a little bit different with into service being and the separation being much more recent. So I feel like I can help. One of the things that attracted me is, I think the veterans between the Vietnam War and the post 911 war veterans, there's a large gap and where a lot of those people fall in the gaps that that ODV are trying to prevent and offer services. Is to those folks and since I was in that era, I feel like I could be a major difference. I also have worked with patriots path in American corporate partners as a volunteer. I just wanted to get involved in a level of an organization where it could extremely make a difference and help find that gap. My family has four Vietnam veterans, to a past two army veterans and my father and his brother were marine veterans. And I've watched years of struggle with the VA. And thankfully, I have not been to a VA situation. I struggled early in my post military career with alcoholism, struggled with depression, sleep disorders. And I was one of the few people who really knew I had a problem and wasn't able to come to a group because another thing that was unfortunate at that time, during those years there wasn't as many groups as there are today. And even though I tend to add mention, with all the groups that are available, still people fall through the cracks, and that's why I wanted to join an organization that was looking to identify those people and make sure no veteran got left behind.


Jason Huddle  11:14

Is there still a stigma is with that is if you're struggling in that transition time back into civilian life. You know, I know there was a stigma at that time. Is there still a stigma? Is it still hard to get veterans to admit that they're dealing with these issues?


Ed Sverko  11:32

You know, I think there is especially with the, you know, the Vietnam vets still that the ones that are still alive, it's it's almost fighting them tooth and nail to get into get help the veterans in my era, they seem to be a little more willing to as long as someone's reaching out the hand there see it seemed a little more willing to reach back out and, and have them have themselves pulled in. So I think and and now we're seeing from from the more recent veterans, the separations from the post 911 area. We're seeing so many more, as you mentioned, all veterans, though, with the female veterans, a lot of the information we've received over the years with some of the sexual misconduct or sexual harassment of those individuals, and some of those female veterans being involved in closer to combat roles in the military, so there's a lot more PTSD. So I think even for those veterans, there's a stigma now, from what I've seen over the 12 years, I've been working with veterans in these roles here in the Charlotte area, that there's a stigma with them as well, that they don't want to look weak. coming for help.


Jason Huddle  12:43

Sure, Yeah, I could understand that just the military psyche, I could, I could totally understand that tend to is that something also that odb deals with is with the female veterans, especially as the sexual harassment and dealing with that.


Ed Sverko  12:57

Absolutely and like I'd mentioned you know, they the pulling of teeth and nails, you know, analogy. They're veterans and and I speak you know, as as opposed to 911 better myself. We are extremely prideful. And it is very hard for us to ask for help. First of all, when the indoctrination that the American people expect of us military members is you are the epitome of America, you are the shining example of America, how dare we present ourselves to be weak, broken or hurt? So when when when that struggle comes into play, asking for assistance becomes very hard. So in our case, in odd case, one of the things that we try to do is listen, let us get you help in any way possible. Most veterans again, like it said, you know, they're they're hesitant to go over to the VA hospitals because of the wait time or you know, they feel uncomfortable in the fact that, you know, civilian doctors never gonna understand me, you know, he's just paid or they're gonna just give me pills and try to make things go away. Like that. So what we try to do is we give alternate options to our veterans, especially the female ones that are that are afraid to go get the help they are because, you know, they don't want to be branded or seen in any other shade or color. You know, whether it's whether it be virtual counseling telephonic in person, you know, outside VA inside VA, private counselors, you know, therapists, it doesn't matter if you're willing to get help, and you're asking us for help. Let's get you the help you need and slowly gradually progress you out of that to the next phase in counseling and therapy. But yes, you know, with with what odb has dealt with, we've involved ourselves in direct therapy sessions, we've involved ourselves in telephonic virtual, you know, zoom in, everything is becoming very popular now. You know, we had therapists out of North Carolina that were zoom conferencing and counseling our clients up in New Hampshire about a year and a half ago. So, you know, whatever it takes to get them the help they need. When a veteran comes and asks for help. We we really do don't have the right to say no or tell them to wait and hold on because vets don't ask for help unless they truly need it.


Jason Huddle  15:07

We're going to cut to pay a few bills. But on the other side of the break, I want to talk about maybe some specific cases not giving names or anything. But since specific cases of veterans that you've guys have worked with maybe some success stories, what have you, right? Yes, absolutely wonderful. We'll be back with the gentleman from operation decisive victory in just a moment.


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Jason Huddle  17:08

And welcome back to the program. We are talking today with members of operation decisive victory or odv. And tend to I didn't get a chance to get to you during the first segment. I wanted to talk to you about your service because you are post 911 did you enlist as a result of 911? Was that something that that encouraged you to do that?


Tintu Paremeswar  17:32

Yes, yes, I did enlist after 911. I'm originally from the New York City area. So it was definitely close to home.


Jason Huddle  17:40

Okay. And serving in that era, that post 911 you sir, from 04 to 2014. That obviously is different than in service time because he did serve right up until the end. He was in peacetime How did that affect you and how did you win? came out what were some things that you struggled with.


Tintu Paremeswar  18:03

So one of the things I tried to explain or express to a lot of people that asked about combat experience, especially for this generation is, you look back at the last 20-22 years, an average service member does 20 years, the person who comes out right now doing 20 years, all they've known is combat. All they've known is either deployment or preparation for deployment, and then back on deployment again. So coming back, the biggest struggle for me was losing that sense of purpose. Because you're training all day every day to go and defend our country, you know, protect our nation and preserve our freedoms. And you come back home and you realize that okay, the high speed action to the struggles, the fights the the adrenaline rush you have out there has no impact here in America. Walking down the streets, everybody's living a normal life here. But being on the other side of the fence, the purpose of us being there is very different. And coming back, we struggle with accepting that, you know, what we do is so that America can go on. So that, you know, the guy can go and protest or this guy can say what he feels like the saying on TV or you know, this person can carry a gun, whatever our rights and freedoms are, you know, we're preserving that. And out on the other side of that fence again, you don't know what you're really protecting. It came to the point where we used to always tell each other Hey, man, we're just here for each other. We're not here for the country at this point. Our job is to make sure each of us go back home. Because we know we're coming back without one another. It's it becomes very difficult. And that camaraderie that that, you know, reliance on one another goes away the day you step out of service. You're back in the civilian world by yourself and say, Hey, good luck, you know, figure everything out. Most young young servicemembers, who join around the age of 18. You know, come back out on an average, you know, say 22 years old, 24 years old, they come out after their first term, the world has moved on, you know, their friends have done different things. And then these guys have you know, you you have an 18 year old is held to a higher standard, you've got presses uniform every day, he's got to make sure he's groomed and has a proper haircut and speaks proper. And then he comes into a world that has none of those boundaries. And those those restrictions, and it can get confusing can become overwhelming, and it comes overwhelming if you have a family that makes it even harder. Coming home as a single service member is very different than coming home with a family and children you have to help everyone reintegrate at once.


Jason Huddle  20:37

I remember the movie American Sniper, which was based on a true story. And he struggled with his obligation to his unit versus his obligation to his family. Is that a? Is that a real thing that people that veterans deal with all the time?


Tintu Paremeswar 20:54

Absolutely. You know, in many of our combat veterans cases, we call the survivors guilt, we were able to make it home but our fellow ones couldn't. And again, that that guilt of man, I left the service, but my guys are still out there and my boys are still gonna go deployer you know, my unit is still out there in the fight and I came home. Again, it's that loss of purpose, right? You everything you've known was just that in that one bubble, and then you step away from it, you realize I'm no longer there. I am supposed to be there that that was my purpose. I don't have that here. So maybe I should go back. But yeah, that's that's a struggle that most veterans go through. And you'll see that in their transition within the first 60 days. That's that's the harshest time because now they don't have to wake up on time for anything. They don't. They don't need to get up and and show for formation or you're not required to go run three miles and exercise and, you know, you don't have to be at lunch at this time or do this and that. And that that sudden change because it's not a transition from civilian to military is a transition from military to civilian is not a transition. It's a lifetime Switch.


Ed Sverko  22:01

Yeah. Jason, if you don't mind, I'd like to jump in here.


Jason Huddle  22:03

Yeah, please.


Ed Sverko  22:04

So Tintu made some really great points and, and I just kind of want to tap into that. So one of the things is he said, you know, someone's, you know, in the service for their first four or five or six years, that first tour of their contract, and they come home and life has moved forward. And again, it's interesting to see when you come back from your first term of service, like I was a one term service member, we're tend to had multiple terms. The way people view success is totally different. They have me may have gotten promoted two or three times in the job. But the veteran, promoted to three times has a chest full of metals isn't seen as successful when you get back to the civilian world. And I think that's a lot of and he mentioned, the term survivor's guilt. You know, you're coming back and dealing with the burden of your brothers and sisters lost in battle. On top of not being seen as successful from a lot of the corporate partners, I mean, during the last five or six years, there's been a greater push to add veterans to the corporate structures. But I think especially part of that from the folks that served my time and got out of the service and didn't have the same, you know, organizations to help us through our transition. If they weren't looked at upon even after the first Gulf War, we weren't looked upon as successful in our mission. Yes, we had the shortest war in the history of the country. But nobody in corporate America hired you because you were successful in the shortest War history. Sure. And I think that's where a lot of people get lost mentally in the transition out and like that has tend to mention transitions, probably a bad word. It's actually being moved to the back end of the base. Here's your bus ticket and good luck to the rest of your life.


Jason Huddle  23:54

Wow. I think our veterans deserve better. For sure. I know that right before when I was getting all set up, and I was listening to you guys talk you were talking about a specific case that you were working on, where a veteran, his family was homeless, they have a brand new baby or an infant child, and they had just been thrown out evicted illegally, from their home. Can you tell us a little bit about that case and how it's going?


Tintu Paremeswar  24:20

Absolutely. You know, it's it's stories like this that, that I wish, you know, we would bring to light when we speak about veterans because the veteran population and I always refer them to as you know, a minority of the minority, because they are a population of their own. However, the circumstances they face once they have fallen is very difficult to step out of this, this family that we're working with currently, three member family, husband, wife and newborn child 20 month old child right here within our own community in our own backyard. The gentleman had a traffic citation that being a busy dad and Trying to run a family overlooked on on paying driver's license was revoked by the state for s penalty for not paying those fines. Naturally being in the automotive industry and a specialist who requires his his driver's license to be active to continue his employment, lost his employment due to that. They survived on whatever he had saved up for the next couple of weeks, when the landlord found out that he can no longer be able to pay his rent the landlord evicted him in that eviction process, which happened extremely quickly and you know, we're hoping to uncover why that happened the way it did. This landlord decided to take it upon themselves to take all their belongings and destroy it. In those belongings were their personal identifying factor, Social Security cards, birth certificates, and of course for military servicemembers, veterans especially that dd 214 which is our discharge paper. That is the end all be all when it comes from Military service that has everything we need to prove our service to our country. All that was destroyed during this eviction process. They stayed in a couple hotels for however long they could with whatever money they had leftover. And when that ran out, they ended up on the streets with this 20 month old child and not knowing that there are services in the community that they can reach out to that they can go towards. was one of the one of the drawbacks of their situation. However, the other part was, even if this veteran went to a crisis center for assistance, they have to prove identity they have to prove residency you know, a shelters most shelters require you to have residency in a county or community before they can admit you and in this case, we're both individuals have no ID both adults have no IDs. You have a child with you, where do you go? What do you do and of course current are in our current state of mind right now. And of course, with the climate, you know, with COVID happening, the heat increasing and people being very skeptical about who they talk to in touch and, you know, associate with that just builds on top of it making me harder. So in this veterans case, we had another veteran, another homeless veteran that that we had helped, and his housing that found this vet and his family on the street. In conversation, he discovered that the gentleman's event he called us notified us that there's, there's someone that might need some assistance. And we asked him some questions about documentation. Unfortunately, he didn't have any documents. And in most cases, organizations would automatically disqualify someone if you have no proof of identification. What our team did was we went a little bit beyond that and said, give us everything you could possibly give us. And let us make some phone calls to see how we can validate you know, we got some help from the community. We provided the information, we contacted a couple of organizations, we ran the information and gave us and it validated back to everything he had given us. So at that point, okay, that that checks something off for me now let's, let's get them the help he needs. So we were contacted by this veteran yesterday at 345. And the veteran and his family were housed by 530 yesterday.


Jason Huddle  28:24



Tintu Paremeswar  28:26

You know, we're in the process of helping them get their ideas to communities coming together. And that's one of the greatest things about odv. We have amazing community partners, which are just general small businesses, General, you know, people that care, I genuinely care about others. They're getting together right now putting food and clothing and things together and collecting donations to help out apart from what Bo Devi is going to be doing. One of the things we try to advocate for is it takes a community it takes a community to help this person, anyone that falls but especially our veteran community, you know, when they fall, it's our responsibility to get him back up. And on top of that, They were reported to CPS by someone that saw them standing on the side of the road with a chalk. So now they're facing that dilemma. You know, again, once you lose that Id even if you've walked into the DMV to get an ID, they need a proof of residency they need, you know, a second form of ID to validate who you are, we get that you got to go to Social Security, but security, you need two forms of ID and residency for them to issue that first thing you got to show you. So it's a situation where once you've fallen down that crack, there really is no recovery. Even if we gave him money to go get into a rental property. Without that Id he can't get into it. And if we peel it back, and one of the things I try to tell people is in America, we have this notion that homelessness is one without a home. We need to change that mindset. He became without a home because of other reasons. And we have to address the other reasons before we fix the fact that he doesn't have a home. Yeah. If there was an organization that was notified at that Time, get no DVDs case if the event had contacted us and that time he knew we existed and said, Hey, listen, I got this fine. I don't have the means to pay for it. Is there a way we can help? ODV could have intervened to one of our partner organizations could have intervened, taken care of that prevented the vet from losing his job, you know, or after he lost his job before they ended up on the streets. If we had been notified our fellow organization to notified we could have intervened and prevented the family from being on the streets to begin with. So there's there's very important aspects of a community knowing what services are available for their veterans because they're all over there around us. And when you walk down the street and you see a veteran or hear about a veteran, if you are aware of what community resources out there, now you just saved that vet, you've given more than just giving him $1 at that point to say, Hey, I hope you get a drink. In this family's case. Now we have people that they don't even know stepping up to get them and their child, whatever it takes whatever they need to get them back on their feet. And we for The experience of having helped homeless veterans reestablish themselves. We're looking at about 30 days before they're back on their feet and transitioning back. It's excellent news.


Jason Huddle  31:10

I've got to end this segment because we're way over on time. But what I'd like to do is go to a break, I got to go to one last break, and then just hold you guys for a couple extra minutes into the next segment just to talk to you about the current political climate and the effect that it's having on veterans psyche. Okay, so we're going to cut the break. We'll be back in just a moment.


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Jason Huddle  31:44

And welcome back to the final segment of our program today. Our July 4 edition we're talking to the gentleman from operation decisive victory, Ed and Tintu I was just going to have you guys for two segments, but I decided to hold you over for the third segment. And we're not going to take the whole segment but I just wanted to ask you guys because of this political climate right now, where monuments to veterans are being defaced a flags are being burned as men who have put their lives on the line for our country, what does that do for your psyche? and veterans like you? What is your take on all this?


Tintu Paremeswar 33:34

You know, Jason, I think, I think most veterans and I had this conversation as as our political climate is escalating and changing. I have this conversation with a lot of my fellow veterans. We have mixed feelings about it. It's, it's challenging because one we defended the same constitution that allows the people to protest and express whatever they need to express. You know, they have that right and we protect that around the and we're watching the country that we we protected and served and fought for imploding. You know, it's falling apart. And many of us that come back especially with with combat trauma, PTSD, combat injuries, there is that sense of questioning at this point is it you know, what was it all for? And that hurts. That's a question that veterans should not have to ask for themselves. When they come home, they see a beautiful country that is prospering and everyone is treated with respect and dignity and life is moving on. That should make them proud of their service, whether you're missing limbs or you're emotionally, you know, distraught from combat or you're still struggling, whatever it may be, that should be your relieving factor that your nation is prospering. So it's it's definitely a conflicting thought. We can't as veterans can't diff you know, define that line and say, Well, no, I can't agree to that because this because on one end, I did support and defend the Constitution that that was what I went for. For these people's rights, and on the other end is like no, that's those are colors that my brothers and sisters came home under. Now those mean a lot more to me than just what feelings you may have. But on one end, you know, we we can't express that because that population or the general population that's never served cannot understand the deep rooted feelings and emotions that come with seeing something like that, you know, whether it be a memorial monument not knocked down or an American flag been burned and stomped on in the streets. What we feel is not what they will feel. So most of us end up being silent. Most of us just emotionally becomes a striker. You know that that becomes feelings that we end up having to deal with. And right now what we see is an increase in PTSD incidences, increase in alcohol treatment incidences amongst veterans, especially with a lockdown being another issue that veterans, especially with combat trauma, PTSD, military, sexual trauma, things like that. That, you know, they cannot be locked out. That causes more difficulties agitates they're already exhibiting symptoms.


Jason Huddle  36:09

Ed would you concur with that?


Ed Sverko  36:10

Yeah. And I think I think, you know, I have mixed feelings myself and me and my family. We talked about those for the reasons. I come from a long line of veterans again, I'm a second generation marine in my family. But my, my feelings go a little deeper, because my family is from Eastern Europe. And my grandfather was born in Germany, my maternal grandfather, and he was forced into the German army in the 1930s, served during World War Two on the other side of the war. And so he was captured in North Africa, came to America was sent out to the fields in Nebraska. He was a US POW. While he was there in Nebraska. He found out he had an uncle that had immigrated to New York. He became a sponsor. Got him to New York. And then my mother came over in 1952 through the airport in New York, which Ellis Island was closed at that point, I think in 48 or 49. But she came through the port in New York. You know, she became a, she was a legal immigrant, went through the process was a naturalized citizen. I live in a first generation American, my mother's side. So knowing that what hat what my family endured in Eastern Europe and in Germany on that side of my family, you know, it's especially troubling to me watching them erase history, knowing that that's exactly what the Nazis did, prior to World War Two. So I'm in being pulled in multiple directions because of my personal family history. But I struggle with the separation of people because I think what, personally for me, one of the things is when I was in the Marine Corps, there was no black Marines or white Marines or Asian Marines, we didn't use terms like that everyone was a marine. Everyone had a rank had a structure. And again, that person earned that rank, or in that structure, regardless of their color their skin, regardless of their gender. So it was we come from that different cloth. So coming back and seeing people fighting over things like race and gender identity. And some of the political issues are hard for us to stomach in some ways. But again, I, I'm thankful I have a great community, part of a great church family, and those people help get me back down to a moral center.


Jason Huddle  38:38

That's awesome. I'm sure that we could spend a whole lot more time but we're just out of it today. So first of all, Tim to and Ed, thank you so much for being on the program. And thank you again, both for your service to our country. Thank you. Thanks, Jase, tend to once you tell our listeners if they want to get in touch with you guys. What's the best way to do that? Where where can they find you on the Internet.


Tintu Paremeswar  39:00

Sure. Oh DVS website is www dot Operation Anything you guys would probably want to know about the organizers up there. If you'd like volunteer opportunities, it's up there if you would like to donate to the cause it's up there. Also, you can follow us on Facebook at operation TV. And Facebook is where you'll see most of our updates and stories and stuff that that we would like the community to be engaged with.


Jason Huddle  39:25

Wonderful, thank you guys for being on the program today. And we hope you guys have a great July 4.


Ed Sverko  39:30

Thank you.


Jason Huddle  39:36

I am way out of time today. So I'm going to just thank our guests from operation decisive victory one more time for their service. And for they're coming into the studio today to talk about their great organization. They're doing some wonderful things. I encourage you to check them out at operation dv dot com we'll put that in the show notes for you as well. Once again, you have been listening to Up Front with Cabarrus Magazine, a presentation of CabCo Media Group and sponsored by Atlantic Bay Mortgage Group, Cabarrus Arena and Events Center, Cabarrus Eye Center, Certec Automotive, Concord Downtown Development Corporation, Level Up Realty, New Hope Worship Center and Walk Cabarrus. As always, please remember to support those that support us. Until next week, go thank a Vet!

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